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Church Management Application
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Case Study 1
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Case Study 3
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Art Pennington:
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Thanks for making time to talk with me Roger. |
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Roger Ross:
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My pleasure Art. Anything I can do to help communicate your amazing concept. I know it’s helped my customers get results far beyond their expectations. |
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Art Pennington:
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I am very glad it is delivering results for them. But you’ve been following something very similar to my Profit Method for a number of years, in some cases with remarkable results. When did you get started in the consulting business? |
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Roger Ross:
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It was back in 1993, almost 15 years ago. |
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Art Pennington:
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Did you adopt the Profit Method from the beginning or did the process kind of evolve in your mind? |
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Roger Ross:
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Well, believe it or not, it’s actually the way I was taught. The consultant I was working with at the time was using Magic. He had completed a large project for ABB Combustion Engineering and had great success. So, he introduced me to MAGIC, which I’ve been using since that time.
My mentor would design systems by going into a company and saying, “What’s your idea of the perfect system?” The parallels are really uncanny compared to the way the Profit Method works and the way he envisioned creating systems for customers. One of the things he always said was, “If a company’s going to invest in custom software, then the software should work the way the company works and not make the company change to fit the software.
We did a few projects together and then in 2000, I went out on my own. I just kept that same method of building systems. It’s really the only way I know. But it has been a win/win situation for both my customers and me.
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Art Pennington:
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So, you were taught right from the beginning, I know that, since then, you’ve had a number of successes with your software development efforts. Can you enumerate some of them? |
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Roger Ross:
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We created a church management solution for churches and non-profits. This solution was really the vision of the founding pastor, his workers and managers. And again, it followed the same guidelines. We weren’t giving them what we thought they needed. We gave them what they wanted.
This solution took another year to develop and since it was non-profit, there was quite a discount applied. It was developed for $30,000.00.
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Art Pennington:
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The entire system? Wow. |
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Roger Ross:
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Yes, the solution manages all informational aspects of a New Testament Church. There are lots of church management systems, but this solution contains far more information capability than any I have ever seen.
It provides the ability to track incoming and outgoing messages and internal messages within the church offices. As a parishioner, if you call the church office, they look up the name and a picture of the person is displayed. They take a message, which goes into a database and gets routed to the proper person. It also includes follow-ups and reminders for tracking follow-ups on issues and parishioners needs.
The database enables church ministers to coordinate the care of the families of anyone who is connected with the church in any way, whether it’s a member, another minister or relative of somebody from the church. There is a view for the family and the members of that family, and a view for the individual.
For parishioners, the solution tracks all personal information, notes, all the ministries they are in or have been in, when they started and what their status is. It has the ability to track the history of their giving. For any given year, staff can pull up a summary of giving and drill down into the detail of giving over the years.
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Art Pennington:
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When you think of churches, you don’t normally think of them as being automated. This pastor must be pretty much of a visionary. |
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Roger Ross:
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Yes, he really knew what he wanted. One thing he was really big on was accountability and stewardship. They have a task list where they can assign tasks to people and they each can manage their own task list.
Then there is a whole ministry section where they can manage every ministry in the church. There are over 60 ministries in this particular church.
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Art Pennington:
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That’s a lot of different focuses. I assume he does more than just run a church. He reaches out to the community and other causes? What support did he include for that? |
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Roger Ross:
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There is a complete inventory system used for the mission department. It ships to several countries in Africa, and to Peru as well, they also ship to Armenia in Russia. They has to track every thing on paper before they become automated.
The inventory system manages all aspects of shipping. The church has a complete inventory of items its received over the years—a whole history. From there, staff can build donation records and pack the shipments. They can take clothes and other items received and put them in bags, boxes, crates, barrels or containers.
They can build shipments and the shipment inventory will print for them. If they’re shipping to Peru, they have the option to print the shipping report in Spanish.
The Peruvian government is very strict about what comes into its country so the church needed a report that would really define a shipment. So, it will list all of the loose items but if there are medical boxes, it will list the box number and list the contents of that box. If there is medication in that box, it will list the quantity of pills in a pillbox, and what the medical name is, and what the expiration date is. So, its very detailed.
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Art Pennington:
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All on the shipping report? |
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Roger Ross:
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Yes, and this is right at their fingertips to print out whenever they need it. At the end of the year, they perform a physical inventory and the system prints out physical inventory reports for them to check against. |
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Art Pennington:
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Wow, so the church not only has a complete history of the financial donations, but also the material donations. |
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Roger Ross:
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They spent about a month in what the Profit Method would call a “model office environment” testing it, and when they were in agreement that it was ready to go into production, they went into production. There are always a few hiccups here and there and those items were corrected, but they’ve been in production with this new system and I have probably gotten four or five phone calls. That’s it, for problems that needed to be fixed. |
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Art Pennington:
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Well, this had to make their total operation a lot more efficient. |
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Roger Ross:
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Yes, it did. In the front office alone, the number of messages that are managed is staggering. An average of 35,000 messages a month are taken from calls coming into the church office. Before the system was developed, the staff did all of this on paper. They had to write down each message and at the end of the day, catalog and make copies of every message, to get it to the people that needed to see it. Now they can enter a message into the system in a few seconds while they’re on the phone.
One of the biggest advantages that they just love is their ability to open the file of the caller and a picture of the person they’re speaking to comes up. All of the members’ pictures are in the system, so whenever you pull up somebody’s name, you can see their picture.
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Art Pennington:
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I see. |
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Roger Ross:
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The system also gives ministry leaders the ability to enter their reports within the system so they don’t have to go into Word to type their message, and then print it, file it, and send the file to the Ministry Board. The Ministry Board had to review it and then file that piece of paper.
Now they can enter their reports for the week within the system. When the Ministry Board meets twice a week, they can pull up a section called “Review Ministry Reports,” and each person can review a different ministry. This feature along dramatically decreases the amount of time they have to spend reviewing ministry reports.
When they complete their review of the reports they can add comments underneath the report and they can change the color so they know that this comment is from the Ministry Board. And then, they just click one button that says, “done”. Then when the ministry leaders return to the office they can check their reports and know they’ve been reviewed because there will be a checkmark on the report showing that it was reviewed.
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Art Pennington:
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Oh, wow. That’s quite a level of sophistication for a church. Actually, you don’t think of a church as being automated at all, but this is an extreme level--I mean, for the entire operation of the church, including the ministries. Now the donated goods that are sent to other countries. That operation would be almost impossible, it seems to me, without some level of automation. |
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Roger Ross:
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Well, believe it or not, before they had my solution, they did it all manually. It was all paper. They started with boxes being sent to Haiti. It took them weeks to get the paperwork together. |
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Art Pennington:
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Yeah, I can imagine. |
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Roger Ross:
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But since it has been automated, they have progressed from boxes to barrels, and then to 20-foot containers. It took them four days to fill it. They then moved on to full 40-foot containers, and then 52-foot containers. Now they can pack a container in about 6-8 hours. |
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Art Pennington:
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Wow, so the church volunteers have a process that’s really efficient? |
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Roger Ross:
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Yes, they are well organized. The warehouse that houses their shipping items has sections for various items such as large items, furniture, walkers, medical equipment, etc.. Each section is separated by aisles. that are organized by item type. There is a giant crib in one section of the warehouse, which they call the Long room and this huge crib is filled with bags of clothes.
Everything is staged, ready to be shipped. It’s all in the system. It’s all inventoried.
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Art Pennington:
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Oh, I see. It’s straight-through processing, huh? |
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Roger Ross:
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Straight through. Every item they ship is either new or in like- new condition. It’s all inspected. If there’s buttons missing, they sew buttons back on. They don’t ship anything that is in mediocre condition.
Then the inventories will get entered into the system. They get entered into what they call a donation work file and they do this as another piece of accountability. They do this to make sure all of the numbers match, and that they’re in balance. Once they know they’re in balance, with what the donation was then they can proceed with the next step, and with a click of a button, they can move that entire donation into the physical inventory
And then, from the physical inventory, they determine what method will be used to prepare for shipping. If it’s items that need to be packed, they can build packages. They can go into the packing section and if it’s clothes, they can start a new bag and they can drill down to the inventory and pick clothes that have come in and put them in a bag. They can print the packing list to show what’s in all of their bags, and then from there they build shipments, and they can pick their loose items to ship, and they can pick their bags, and boxes, and barrels, and crates, and gaylords, and anything you can imagine will ship. They shipped a fire truck once.
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Art Pennington:
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Is that right? |
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Roger Ross:
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yes they even shipped a fire truck and two ambulances to Liberia, Africa. |
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Art Pennington:
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No kidding? |
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Roger Ross:
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Yep. They’ve shipped pickup trucks to Lima, Peru. They just shipped an Isuzu Rodeo to Armenia, Russia and when they put that vehicle in the container, they don’t leave the front seat empty. Every square inch of that vehicle has something in it. It was filled with bags of clothes. |
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Art Pennington:
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Wow. That’s quite an operation. The application is similar to the manufacturing business where you have piece parts that are assembled into assemblies and into larger components. |
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Roger Ross:
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Yes, but it’s a little different, because they don’t know what their inventory will be until it is coming in. That’s really the main difference. |
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Art Pennington:
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Wow. I can imagine there’d be a lot of ministers who’d love to have an automation solution at this level. |
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Roger Ross:
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They would. My tag line for the system is, “Keeping souls and keeping order in God’s house. Software designed for accountability, stewardship, and order.” That really sums up the entire application. |
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Art Pennington:
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Those are impressive results. It’s almost unbelievable that you could create all of that functionality in just 12 months for $30,000. It’s a wonderful testament to the Profit Method.
So far it seems like you’re focusing on the small business area and you’ve actually proven that the Profit Method works there, also. It works just as well for small business as it does large business.
Well, one of the principles of the Profit Method is that you create the software and it provides tremendous benefit from day one. But the secret is that you continue to use the software and continue to get those benefits on an annual basis, so it compounds itself. Now if you implemented a Profit Method project ten years ago and you’re still using it today, you’ve compounded the benefits of that throughout those ten years. And it looks like all these companies are still using the original solution.
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Roger Ross:
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Yes, they have all used these solutions for a number of years and accrued many benefits. One of the biggest, I think, is the fact that they have many years of information history in their database. That is invaluable for management decisions. |
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Art Pennington:
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Okay, Roger. Thanks for taking time to discuss your successes with the Profit Method. |
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Roger Ross:
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Anytime, thank you |